Prop 8
I've been following the protest about Prop 8 mildly as an unimportant issue. There are errors here. First,
the state has no business saying who can or can't marry. Marriage is a created relationship between two
people. Laws do not create marriages. Laws do not end marriages. People do these things. I haven't
observed god in court either unless he thinks he's one of the attorneys.
States give marriage licenses for taxation and tracking purposes. Why else do they care unless there is
money involved? Churches have traditionally been involved as man has sought agreement from higher
forces, rightly or wrongly. I've never observed any god stopping a marriage or starting one either.
Preachers like to claim they do marriages but they only say the words, only sign the papers. The couple
makes the marriage and creates the future.
Next, the "Gays" and "Lesbians" can not marry simply because marriage is a union between a man and
a woman as husband and wife. There is a common sense reason for this. The major product of marriage
is children and stability of the environment for the child to grow up in, a healthy environment normal
environment conducive of a continuance of mankind. Were this not true man would vanish. No family, no
happiness...
Neither Gays nor Lesbians currently produce children and never will do so naturally. Additionally, their
"unions" are on average far shorter and less stable than real marriages are. Prove me wrong on a broad
scale, you will not.
Why do same sex partners care if their relationship is recognized as legal by the state? They already
have the state benefits, taxes, medical and such. There must be other less commonly known reasons
such as the promotion of acceptance of non-productive relationships on a broader basis, government
approval of such an unnatural relationship. I see it as an attempt to force acceptance when it is not
acceptable to the majority of men and women.
Because such relationships are not normal, it is not discrimination to fail to grant legal approval where
it's not needed and would be wrong. A law making it illegal is equally wrong because of no need.
Government is not welcome where there is no need and should stay out of people's personal lives. It is
common knowledge, observable knowledge that government messes up what it becomes involved in.
If people want relationships, they may have them and this should be a private matter and not a public
matter. That is a personal choice that doesn't require state approval. It requires only the approval of the
people involved, only their agreement. They only need to answer to themselves and their sense of
rightness or wrongness, their friends, their family. They wont go to hell over it and they wont go to
heaven over it either. They are already there, for both are merely a state of mind.
For this type relationship to be right, it would need to increase the survival of the individuals, the
community at large and mankind. If it doesn't forward the survival of the majority, it should be viewed as
wrong. If it is successful, lasting and productive, it doesn't need the blessing of the state or church, for it
is good.
These are my personal opinions.
By Carlos Alien (Carlos can be reached by sending comments to this website.)
See his follow up article Civil Rights or Civil Righteous
Send in your comments on any article or offer your own! Carl
Logical or aesthetic responses are welcome though I have no obligation to post anything on my site I distasteful or unaesthetic in
anyway what so ever as determined by me.
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I've been following the protest about Prop 8 mildly as an unimportant issue. There are errors here. First,
the state has no business saying who can or can't marry. Marriage is a created relationship between two
people. Laws do not create marriages. Laws do not end marriages. People do these things. I haven't
observed god in court either unless he thinks he's one of the attorneys.
States give marriage licenses for taxation and tracking purposes. Why else do they care unless there is
money involved? Churches have traditionally been involved as man has sought agreement from higher
forces, rightly or wrongly. I've never observed any god stopping a marriage or starting one either.
Preachers like to claim they do marriages but they only say the words, only sign the papers. The couple
makes the marriage and creates the future.
Next, the "Gays" and "Lesbians" can not marry simply because marriage is a union between a man and
a woman as husband and wife. There is a common sense reason for this. The major product of marriage
is children and stability of the environment for the child to grow up in, a healthy environment normal
environment conducive of a continuance of mankind. Were this not true man would vanish. No family, no
happiness...
Neither Gays nor Lesbians currently produce children and never will do so naturally. Additionally, their
"unions" are on average far shorter and less stable than real marriages are. Prove me wrong on a broad
scale, you will not.
Why do same sex partners care if their relationship is recognized as legal by the state? They already
have the state benefits, taxes, medical and such. There must be other less commonly known reasons
such as the promotion of acceptance of non-productive relationships on a broader basis, government
approval of such an unnatural relationship. I see it as an attempt to force acceptance when it is not
acceptable to the majority of men and women.
Because such relationships are not normal, it is not discrimination to fail to grant legal approval where
it's not needed and would be wrong. A law making it illegal is equally wrong because of no need.
Government is not welcome where there is no need and should stay out of people's personal lives. It is
common knowledge, observable knowledge that government messes up what it becomes involved in.
If people want relationships, they may have them and this should be a private matter and not a public
matter. That is a personal choice that doesn't require state approval. It requires only the approval of the
people involved, only their agreement. They only need to answer to themselves and their sense of
rightness or wrongness, their friends, their family. They wont go to hell over it and they wont go to
heaven over it either. They are already there, for both are merely a state of mind.
For this type relationship to be right, it would need to increase the survival of the individuals, the
community at large and mankind. If it doesn't forward the survival of the majority, it should be viewed as
wrong. If it is successful, lasting and productive, it doesn't need the blessing of the state or church, for it
is good.
These are my personal opinions.
By Carlos Alien (Carlos can be reached by sending comments to this website.)
See his follow up article Civil Rights or Civil Righteous
Send in your comments on any article or offer your own! Carl
Logical or aesthetic responses are welcome though I have no obligation to post anything on my site I distasteful or unaesthetic in
anyway what so ever as determined by me.
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